A photo of my well worn copy. You can't see it, but many of the pages are littered with notes in the margins with folded over ears. I look forward to meeting Chase in person one day and having it signed.
This paperback book reads as though Chase Kloetzke is sitting across from you at the kitchen table, discussing the ABC's of collecting evidence in the largely unregulated field of paranormal research, over a cup coffee. It was written and designed in a quick, easy to follow format. For anyone familiar with Chase, you will immediately understand what I mean by reading her dedication at the beginning of her book:
"This manual is
dedicated to all of the 'door kickers' and 'boots on the ground'
investigators who venture out of the ordinary. We are all in this
together!" Chase Kloetzke
But in saying that, this book also holds the seriousness and practicality that you would expect from any classroom textbook. Although I'm confident Chase could have accomplished this book based solely on her own credentials, the fact that she consulted with credible, respectable individuals such as NICK REDFERN, and RICHARD DOLAN only helped solidify the importance and seriousness of this soon to become required reading for anyone aspiring to become a competent paranormal researcher . I share Mr. Dolan's outlook as put forth in his forward:
"...A fish cannot conceive of life beyond the water. Land, sky, and outer space are things it can never know, and certainly never experience. We human beings have impressive brains, certainly compared to the poor fish. But isn't it possible that we, too, have been bumping into a dimension of reality that takes us to our very limits, and perhaps a little bit beyond? Can it be that when people encounter what we call aliens or cryptids, or apparitions of some sort, that we are obtaining a glimpse beyond our own little pond of reality? It seems so to me..."Richard Dolan, pg xix
Chase leaves no stone unturned, not only covering all the complexities of becoming a well-respected, professional investigator, but also the handling of the investigation itself. From the conception of the idea to investigate right through to the proper etiquette of closing a case and the storage of that sensitive research material. She is all about preserving the integrity of ALL collected evidence, be it eye witness testimony, actual biological material, or any other type listed and described in her comprehensive book. I have never been exposed to anything remotely close to investigating a paranormal case, but after reading this book I now have a much better appreciation for the seriousness of collecting, researching, and then afterwords being the caretaker of such evidence. Chase outlines an "Investigator's Code of Ethics" in the first chapter, a theme that is followed throughout the book covering the attributes and standards researchers should strive to practice as they go about interacting with witnesses, fellow team members, other field experts, and law enforcement personnel. She also talks about the "Hynek Classification System" benefits versus the "Vallee Classification System" when recording UFO and Contact Reports along with how to go about customizing your own classification system if desired; something I have run across but never fully understood. There is no doubt in my mind, Chase knows exactly what she's talking about, and has given this subject much consideration and respect.
Throughout her book you will find several checklists outlining covered material that provides researchers with quick, valuable future tools of reference. In addition, I was pleased to discover at the back of the book an Appendix of Forms in which Chase graciously offers:
"...The following forms are intended as useful guidelines for the investigator. They may freely be copied or adapted to meet your specific needs..."Chase Kloetzke, pg 131
I know you hear it all the time, but I wish to urge readers the importance of adding this book to their library. Anyone looking to become a serious researcher, needs to become acquainted with the entire content of Chase Kloetzke's book. It will provide you with a condensed how-to book built from years of invaluable field research and experience, that you will find yourself referencing back to for years to come!
"ADMISSIBLE: THE FIIELD MANUAL for INVESTIGATING UFOs, PARANORMAL ACTIVITY, and STRANGE CREATURES" written by Chase Kloetzke with Richard Dolan can be enjoyed either in "Kindle" format, or paperback at "Amazon.com" , "Create Space.com", and through the publishing company "Richard Dolan Press".
To learn more about Chase Kloetzke and the projects she's currently working on, you can join in on great conversations every Thursday starting at 9pm ET in the chat room at KGRA Radio during her 1 and 1/2 hour radio show titled, "The Chase Kloetzke Project".
The interview was conducted on December 19th of 2013, with Steve Pierce mostly, but towards the end of the 2hr session his girlfriend, PAMELA NECERATO-LOFFREDO, also an experiencer, participated.
I have no doubt something incredible was seen and experienced on November 5th, 1975 by Travis Walton, Steve Pierce, Ken Peterson, Allen Dalis, Dwayne Smith, and brother-in-laws Mike Rogers and John Goulette . No matter that it's taken over 38 years for Steve to publicly come forward, I can only imagine how grateful Travis is for the public support and companionship Steve has provided. I really hope the other men find the courage needed from observing Steve's mostly positive "coming out" and will soon follow suite and come forward themselves. As an "armchair" researcher I am convinced having everyone's personal impressions that were involved in this incredible happening is invaluable to helping further the quest for answers as to what in the world is going on here! This is occurring right beneath our noses for centuries, to our children, friends, brothers, sisters, and still no one can sufficiently explain "what" and "why" this is happening. It is nearly impossible for those who have gone through this type of experience not to carry suspicions that a great conspiracy of silence is taking place leaving us all extremely vulnerable and frustrated with the ignorance being forced unwillingly upon experiencers around the world.
I found several interesting points Steve made during his interview with Kathy compelling enough to write about, One of which is was that from an early age Steve, unknowingly witnessed UFOs.
"...We lived outside of Snowflake...when it got dark at night there was a hill behind us...we used to watch these light shows on top of us at night...back then I really didn't know what is was until I saw the UFO with Travis..." STEVE PIERCE, Kathy Buckalew interview
"...The day it happened was just like a regular day..." Steve says as he begins to recount his own unique perspective of what happened on that frightful day. He explains what his responsibilities during a typical work day entailed:
"...I was the Grunt...so I'm the one who stacked up all the tree branches and everything. I didn't have a chainsaw...I was the youngest one..." STEVE PIERCE, Kathy Buckalew interview
He later describes the seating configuration in the two seated pickup truck he and the other witnesses rode in on their way home:
"... There was 3 in the front seat; Mike was driving, Kenny Peterson was in the middle, and Travis Walton was on the far right. And then the back seat...it was Allen Dalis, then John Goulette was on the left of me, and then, uh, Dwayne Smith was behind Mike, the driver..." STEVE PIERCE, Kathy Buckalew interview
Steve then goes on to describe some of the dialogue that took place in the pickup as the men all tried to sort out what their eyes were seeing. Nothing in their life experiences could prepare them for what they were about to witness!
"...We saw this bright object on the right...Someone said it looked like the moon, and John Goulette said, 'No, there's the moon right there.', and it was on the left of us..." STEVE PIERCE, Kathy Buckalew interview
At this point I want to introduce another recent and rather unique interview that I came across while visiting Steve Pierce's official website, www.soundfuturesdirect.com/stevepierce.
Here I found additional interesting details that Steve recounts, including the other possible explanation for what they were all witnessing and processing while the truck made it's way closer to the source of that bright light.
"...Someone said it might be a wrecked airplane, and John Goulette said, 'No, I know what an airplane wreck looks like. It's not an airplane wreck.'. We couldn't tell what it was, but it was this bright light coming through the trees." STEVE PIERCE, Janus production
Allen Dalis is the first to correctly identify the object as a "space ship!". What ensued was an array of emotions as each man tried to reconcile what their eyes were seeing.
"...Allen Dalis kinda like hits the floorboard, but he gets back up, and he's looking out the window. I scooted over, I'm all the way over next to the door now...and then it's just hovering there!...I mean it was GORGEOUS, and we're just all looking at it. At first we're not scared; we're nervous, but not scared you know?...You're just like 'WOW!'..." STEVE PIERCE, Kathy Buckalew interview
Next, Steve gives his personal interpretation, and impressions of what happened as he watched Travis exit the truck towards the object:
"...To me he looks like he was in a trance, 'cause people were hollering at him. He turned around once, he gave us this weird, strange look, and started walking towards it...He ducked down in between these dead trees, and when he stood back up, this thing is still hovering in the air..." STEVE PIERCE, Janus production
The ray that hit Travis not only displays great strength but it also had another highly interesting feature:
"...It's solid white, it's not moving, it's just hovering there. All of a
sudden it starts rocking back & forth. It had a beeping noise to
it, a loud pitchy noise, and then all of a sudden this blue light,
blueish-green light came out and zapped Travis in the chest. Travis flies back a good 15 feet, he hits the ground. And you could feel the heat when it came out! You could feels something coming across your face..." STEVE PIERCE, Janus production and Kathy Buckalew interview
Steve points out something very interesting that makes sense. Some experts theorize that Travis was perhaps too close to
the object and that is why he was "zapped", but Steve has a different take on it. One I think we should take seriously since, as he eloquently puts, "you weren't there":
"...When he stopped, there
in front of it. He leans down, he gets back up. How come they didn't
zap him before if he was too close? Did it have a timer on it? Did it
have a 5, 6 delay timer?...I believe, that uh, ...THEY wanted us, THEY wanted him, THEY took
him. Travis is smart you know, and they took Travis. THEY wanted
Travis. We saw this for five minutes. Now, THEY heard the chainsaws,
THEY heard us, heard that radio pickup coming down the road. THEY knew
we were there, THEY knew we were coming, you know? We saw it for five
minutes, it's not like we saw it for 10 seconds and it took off. I mean
if Travis got too close he would have got zapped before he bent down
you know? I BELIEVE THEY WANTED HIM." STEVE PIERCE, Kathy Buckalew interview
If you've only seen the very popular movie "FIRE IN THE SKY", and that is your only measuring stick as to what really happened, I strongly urge you to take the time to watch a more accurate version that is both endorsed by Travis Walton himself, and now by Steve Pierce. There could be a free version out somewhere in the web universe, but I am only aware of the Amazon link for purchase.
The ship portrayed in the "PARAMOUNT" movie is very inaccurate. Steve gives a true, detailed description of both the ship and the beam that hit Travis:
"Well, it was a solid white. It was like a white I'd never seen...It was like two cake pans on top of each other...That's how it was shaped. And you could see the window frames coming down from the craft. They looked like window frames. You couldn't, I couldn't see nobody in the windows. You could see like a frame coming outside the craft, and then one piece all the way in the middle come across and it was solid white. It was BEAUTIFUL! The beam was like a blueish-green color. It came out, and it kinda like "vee-d" out, uh, ti was smaller at the beginning and then it kinda vee'd, got kinda bigger, and it lit up the whole sky...It was BEAUTIFUL! The most beautiful thing I'd ever seen. And then, when he got 'zapped', it got brighter, and brighter, and brighter. This UFO got really, really, really bright. Um, right before it zapped him..." STEVE PIERCE, Janus production
Mike Rogers was portrayed as this tough, stoic authority figure in the movie and that bothers Steve. Chuckling he states, "...that ain't what happened..." He describes a more realistic example of Mike shortly after they pulled over trying to get their bearings and decide what to do:
"...when we up were up there Mike fell to his knees and, uh, really upset, saying 'Look what I've done! I left my best friend behind!' and so when we got back down he was still kinda upset..." STEVE PIERCE, Kathy Buckalew interview
It's sad the script writers felt it necessary to portray Mike in this fashion, instead of showing a more realistic, human reaction from a man going through the emotions of abandoning his friend. That would absolutely be a gut-wrenching experience. I try and put myself in his shoes, and when I do, I know how horribly hard we can be on ourselves and can hardly imagine what his inner turmoil must have been like. This is something that probably haunts him to this day. Travis's return didn't magically resolve all the side-effects this horrific experience inflicted on all the unwilling participants. Steve briefly talks about how his personal relationships have been affected:
"...My family thought we were all nuts. Either that, or it was from the Devil or something...But you still got critics. I got a brother that still doesn't believe me, you know, who thinks this is nothing but a hoax. You know, the ones who believe you will believe you; and the ones who don't they're awful hard on you..." STEVE PIERCE, Janus production
I find it difficult to understand those who stand in judgement of the men who were in that truck that fateful night in November of 1975. To call them a coward is a tall accusation; in my opinion, it's like shooting a man when he's already down. Steve's voice picks up an octave when he responds to such ridiculous allegations:
"...I didn't leave! I wasn't driving!...see, I didn't realize Mike took off until my head hit the door...I don't know why Mike took off. That's something you going to have to ask him...You gotta remember he had all of us other to take care of too you know...People call us a coward for leaving, you know...I mean, Mike had all of us to worry about us..." STEVE PIERCE, Kathy Buckalew interview
There was great terror, copious amounts of adrenaline pumping through their veins, and a best friend either dead, or missing. You try coming up with logical, strategic solutions in the middle of nowhere where "once it gets dark, you can't see out there anyway", after witnessing such a fantastical event.
"...He's not moving, and I hollered out, 'THEY got him!' As soon as I said 'THEY got him!', Mike takes off and he's going down the road, and he's running over everything. He never missed a gear in that pickup truck, and we get down and he's hollering out 'Look Back! Look Back! See if it's following us!' But nobody, I don't think anybody looked back to see if it was following us. And then we get down a ways and then um, Kenny Peterson says, you know, got him to stop, and we stopped. And uh, as we're getting out to talk about, you know what we should do, I noticed, I saw a light from the , from behind us, go from, go from the North. So we thought it took off, as we're all there talking about what we should do, and one of the guys says, 'It looks like he was disintegrated', and I said, 'No, his body's there. I seen him hit the ground', you know, and then, um, we was trying to figure out what to do. So we all decided we uh, we can't leave him there. And so we all got back in the pickup and we went looking for him...When we got there, we had one flashlight. We're looking around, we're hollering his name and stuff. I mean we looked everywhere and we couldn't find him..." STEVE PIERCE, Kathy Buckalew interview
Steve also put into perspective how scary it was to be just 17 years old, and have the whole town convinced you're guilty of murder; even his own mother! He recounts an intimidating car ride:
"...trying to stay out of sight. A city cop pulled me over and told me to get in the back of this cop car. I get back there and we went for a little ride. He was telling me that...in Arizona, you don't need a body to be convicted for murder. And if I'm involved in it, I'm just as guilty as the person who did the killing. So you know, if I confess right now, and tell him what happened...they would be on my side...try and help me out. But! If I don't confess, you know, and they find out later I'm just as guilty as they are and I'm going to go to jail for murder. Well I told the cop what we told him was true, and he let me out and told me to think about it and let him know....I said, 'Well, there's nothing really to think, you know.'"STEVE PIERCE, Janus production
It takes a strong willed person, at the age of 17, to endure that kind of pressure! Can you imagine hearing, "We'll take the quiet one first" before going in to take your polygraph for murder?
"...Like it was yesterday. The way people treated us. People were looking at us like we killed Travis...the whole town thought we murdered him...For five days it got crazy...On the fifth day they made us take polygraph test and um, I tried to sneak out the back door again, but it didn't work. They put me in my mom's car and my mom had to take me because I was a minor and my mom was kinda curious to know if we killed Travis or not." STEVE PIERCE, Kathy Buckalew interview and Janus production
It's important to note that everyone passed a polygraph test; even Allan Dallas, as Steve explains:
"They
said Allen Dalis flunked the polygraph test. That's not actually
true. Um, they hooked him up, and uh, they asked him if he killed
Travis. And he got mad, said 'Why you asking these kind of questions
for?', and he ripped the stuff off and didn't take the polygraph
test...So, he did take one in 1993 and passed it from the same guy. And
then Travis took one from the same guy, too, and passed it. And Travis
took another one from some guy in New Mexico, and passed it.
Everybody's passed the polygraph test...He (Mr. Cy Gilson) even said, 'You
can't beat me at my own game. If you're lying, I'll know you're
lying'..." STEVE PIERCE, Kathy Buckalew interview
Even though the polygraph exam was geared towards unearthing murder as the plausible explanation for Travis's disapperance, it's interesting to note there was a question about whether or not they'd seen a space ship. Afterwards, when Travis was returned and things had settled down a bit, Travis did meet with the rest of the men to discuss what had happened to all of them. Steve says something chilling about what he observed when he was reunited with Travis and the others:
"...He came back to Snowflake, and we all met at Mike's house. And he told us. We all believed him, I mean, it was something about his eyes. His eyes were different after that. His eyes are STILL different after that!" STEVE PIERCE, Janus production
I have had the great pleasure of meeting Travis Walton in person, something I never thought would ever be, and I can vouch for the unmistakable haunting eyes he has. They hold a world of realities we can't even begin to understand!
Steve also takes time to address his involvement with PHILIP KLASS, a man known for tampering with UFO witnesses. Philip, over the course of many years, kept track of Steve and his whereabouts. He tried to bribe him with money in exchange for him falsifying the account of events surrounding Travis Walton's abduction:
"...I moved to Taylor...There was a city cop named JIM CLICK that came to my door one day, and told me that Philip Klass said he'd give me $10,000 to say it was a hoax. I asked Jim Click, 'Is that all you wanted?'...I moved to Texas after that, back home to where I was born. And Philip Klass found out my address out there, and got my phone number and started calling me about once a month...He was even calling my brother and sister-in-law telling I would give 'em all this money...Philip Klass was a PAIN IN MY ASS, for a long time...No, I never took the money. I thought about it..." STEVE PIERCE, Janus production and Kathy Buckalew interview
Steve reasoned, that nobody believed what happened to Travis anyway, so what harm would it do? He could surely use that amount of money, it would have really helped him and his young family out. He doesn't shy away from the fact his unhappiness with Mike Rogers also fueled his interest in taking the dirty money. But in the end truth prevailed and today we can all breathe a sigh of relief he was able to rise above all the crap and be a bigger man. Thank you Steve!
Steve is in the process of putting out a Second Edition to his already published book recounting what happened to him and the what he saw. If you ask him why he has decided to come out and support Travis and tell his side of the story he will answer that his daughter helped him and the need for only the TRUTH to be told:
"...She's (daughter) one of the reasons. The other reason I decided to come out and talk about it. If I don't tell my story, somebody else will...There's a lot of things in the movie that's not true...It was really pissing me off!.." STEVE PIERCE, Kathy Buckalew interview
Conferences that bring researchers, abductees, their friends and families, doctors, scientists, lawyers and all others who have a genuine desire to seek out the answers are much needed. Not only does it allow networking to occur, but it also provides a safe place where like-minded people can share openly and find comfort from one another. I was really struck by Steve's candid words, and realized how right he was.
"...To me, that's therapy. Going to these conferences. Going to these people, listening, listening to you speak..." STEVE PIERCE, Janus production
Just last night I was pondering the importance of attending the "INTERNATIONAL UFO CONGRESS" this coming February in Arizona. It has not been easy to arrange with having the responsibilities of a family and living in Canada. To attend requires much effort and money on our part. Steve helped remind me why it is important to gather with like-minded colleagues and friends. We can never forget what we are all rallying together for; fighting for the truth, our dignity, and our worth in this complex world we call EARTH.
This complete blog entry stems from an obsolete open mike question period "YouTube" video in which BOB LAZAR is questioned. And in the true sense of synchronicity, I continued to come across additional information about MR. LAZAR in further unrelated interviews this past week. Thanks to this candid video, taken and later posted by DAN WILLIS, I gained some great insight. If you can muscle through the poor film quality, it is worth your time to watch.
BRAD BRAY, host of "PARANORMAL SUNDAY", suggested I listen to a short interview he conducted on the AREA 51 subject with a man by the name of T. D. BARNES, a former AREA 51 employee. Check out the link below and have a listen for yourself:
"...At this time point in time, yes, I still have NO conclusion about Mr. BOB LAZAR. He now lives in Michigan and has his own business called "UNITED NUCLEAR", which he has been doing for many years...he still seems to be conducting uh, some projects, indirectly with, uh, some kind, uh, defense contractors...there's no question in my mind, in that he knows what he's doing. But, uh, whether he was telling a lie about uh...S4 and Area 51, and uh, you know, back engineering of an alien craft. There's no PROOF, there's no PROOF whatsoever...."
NORIO HAYAKAWA's opinion is important when you consider his experience in the UFO field. I am also a huge advocate for the belief that no one knows the "answer":
"...I've been in this UFO research since 1961. I've been to a lot of places. I've seen a lot of things. I've interviewed hundreds and hundreds of peoples, witnesses. And YET! I cannot come to any solid conclusion as to what the UFO phenomena is, much less come to any conclusion that we are being visited by physical extraterrestrial aliens in physical, extraterrestrial craft. It's a GREAT concept, and a GREAT topic, but uh, unfortunately, the bottom line, we have to look at the bottom line. The EVIDENCES are very, very difficult to uh, find, and that's all I can say."NORIO HAYAKAWA
The LAZAR story is one filled with great debate and speculation. I have not formed any conclusions as to the validity of his claims. Instead, I choose to remain open minded, sifting through information looking for nuggets of truth. I believe the TRUTH is out there, but the water has been so muddied with false stories, ego fueled, money hungry, thrill seeking individuals, that it is extremely difficult to identify.
Area 51 has many names, as noted by Thornton D. Barnes in his interview; "PARADISE RANCH", "WATER TOWN", "BOX", and ofcourse, "DREAMLAND". Just further evidence of how much "information" is out there hiding incognito right before our eyes.
(These
blog entries are built in order to share with you some of what I
managed to make note of, while watching the live feed. I've transcribed
from notes as accurately as possible, and apologize in advance if I've
made any errors. I hope you will enjoy and accept this in the manner
that which I give it to you; in a spirit of sharing and kindness.) Claudette Huber
Witness Testimony Oath:
"I DO HEREBY AFFIRM, I WILL TELL THE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH TO THIS COMMITTEE TODAY.
ROBERTO PINOTTI's opening statement consisted of his numerous credentials.
"...in ROME...2000 UFO reports...1993 I started...an Annual World Symposium...in 1997...Encyclopediawas published...I am well informed about the Vaticanviews of the UFO and ET...exo diplomacy, the future...global diplomacy.
"Good afternoon,...dragons are from Outer Space in Chinese Country...The Land of Deities, Land of Gods...We seek the harmony between people and Heaven...very relevant with what we are discussing in the hearing today...BEIJING UFO RESEARCH INSTITUTE...largest UFO research institute in the world...for the past 33 years it's been a very hard time for the UFO research...everyone on this planet are looking for our roots...people are involved...is of an overwhelming scale...those who are interested,...account for about 1/2 of the Chinese people; 5 billion people...We have more than 1000 members...after years of research...convinced of the existence of UFO and aliens...we believe the existence of UFOs, we believe existence of alien, extraterrestrial....there is a wealth of mysterious UFO files...history, scientific literature...we have a number of Jade statues that closely resemble aliens...our expert appraisal estimates could have been in existence for 100 million years...We are doing research in high tech...genetic engineering...the study of the sky is for the benefit of the Earth...we are trying to find a solution to the problems here on Earth...to find the truth and to meet the new civilization on Earth. Thank you."
GRANT CAMERONpresented the audience with an overview of the Canadian history involving the UFO phenomena.
"Canadian government does not dispute any of the documents online...Canadians went to the Americans...wanted to know what the Americans knew about the UFOs...flying saucers were real...Canadians actually opened up a baseinSuffield, Alberta...to land a flying saucer...FLYING SAUCER OBSERVATORY...WILBERT SMITHletters showed he was receiving UFO hardware...United States Militaryhas tons of hardware and film..."
The former Deputy Director for theM.O.D.(Ministry of Defence), NICK POPE, shared his own knowledge of how the United Kingdom approaches the UFO phenomena. There was a strange contradiction in his statement when he stated there were no project names given, but then later lists one.
"...the U.K. Ministry of Defence...has a dual role...policy making...and highest defence agency...around 5% appeared to defy conventional...though we accepted sightings from everyone...particularly interested in...collaborative evidence...a widely held belief that the government...inherently secret organization...downplay our interest...PROJECT CONDIGN...terminated in 2009...pilots can and do continue to give reports...to date over 50,000 documents have been sent to the Archives...whatever the true nature of the phenomena...there are potential novel technologies...it's clear...there are issues of political responsibility..."
ANTONIO HUNEEUSshared his thoughts and research findings of France:
"...France...really took off in the seventies...NATIONAL POLICE FORCE had been investigating since 1960's...uniformed protocols...respond and investigate any UFO lights by the French public...still in effect...FRENCH SPACE AGENCY...354 UFO cases...25% of which remain unexplained...COMETA REPORT...recently.
NICK POPEwas the first to be questioned byMERRILL COOKin regards to the documents released into the Archives:
"Maybe you have read all of them?..."
NICK POPE:"...I went right back to inception...reports during the World War..." MERRILL COOK:"What's your opinion...is there an ET origin?..." NICK POPE: "...the evidence doesn't go quite far enough...it is a possibility..."
"Do any of your countries have any interaction with theUnited States...on this...over the years...?"
NICK POPE: "Some limited liaisons...BLUE BOOK...until it was terminated...time to time through Agencies...some files were exchanged...GENERAL GABRIELcoming in and taking..." GRANT CAMERON: "...Canadians are absolutely quiet...since 1954..." DR. SUN SHILI: "...we have some exchanges in the non government establishments...high-level tri-lateral meeting that involved Chinese, Russian...on UFO...THE ROCKEFELLER FOUNDATIONhosted this meeting..."
ROSCOE BARTLETTaskedDR. SUN SHILIhow his government felt about cover-up.
"...unacceptable...UFO is a big issue...the government see the UFOs as a national security issue..."
DARLENE HOOLEYwanted to know more about the vehicles and if they were manned.
ANTONIO HUNEEUS:"...we don't know...exact statistics because of the distance is impossible to determine." DR. SUN SHILI: "There is a higher level air force official, he reported that...there must be a higher intelligent organism in the operating...he even gave me a picture of a UFO...taken from a satellite...crisp, clear."
(These
blog entries are built in order to share with you some of what I
managed to make note of, while watching the live feed. I've transcribed
from notes as accurately as possible, and apologize in advance if I've
made any errors. I hope you will enjoy and accept this in the manner
that which I give it to you; in a spirit of sharing and kindness.)Claudette Huber
LYNN WOOLSEY, the acting CHAIR for the day, kicked off things with a spirited comment:
"...What a morning!...hardly any way to deny...absolute proof..."
She then askedCOL. OSCAR SANTA-MARIAif he had seen any occupants in the object, and how had he been treated by the government afterwards.
"We could not actually see into the UFO...the 1,800 people that actually saw...no negative repercussions...I continued to fly...in 1980, when this event happened...installing Soviet materials at that place...we received the order to not talk about this....we had sensitive material...22yrs of silence...They(Press), didn't really know hot to get access to the information..."
Her next question was directed toA. J. GEVAERDofBRAZIL, asking about the incident in theAmazonsand what the relationship was with theUnited States Armyat that time. This was his answer to both LYNN WOOLSEYand also toCAROLYN KILPATRICKwho followed up with a very similar question, but addressed all the witnesses:
"...Over a 1000 people were being attacked...emit a beam of light making them faint and mimic...during this 4 months...OPERATION SAUCER...film at night the UFOs...Objects would come more and more boldly where the army was camping...over 500 pictures were made...16hrs of film was made...they take the information back to theUnited States...for their own purposes...operating in many places in the world...military in many countries, United Statesis collecting...during many years...UScoming down toBRAZIL, taking part in research...recent cases."A. J. GEVAERD
"...When they created the office...they contacted the United States Army..., but there was no response....NARCAP...run by formerN.A.S.A.Scientist...very close relationship...collected...usually by the Defense attache'...C.I.A..." ANTONIO HUNEEUS
"No, there is no sharing or exchanging of information."COL. ARIEL SANCHEZ
"...no open, formal agreement...information is shared with US Agencies...UFO had crashed inNorthern Peru...they took remains...by helicopters that were not part ofPeru...apparently they were American helicopters."DR. ANTHONY CHOY
"...no open communication...no documentation..."ROBERTO PINOTTI
CAROLYN KILPATRICK strongly feels it's an,"...International Issue...ought to beUnited Nationrepresentation...Will you help?"
A UNANIMOUS "YES" resounded from the witnesses.
She continued,"Our military gets your information...we also work together to do that...or there won't be no more universe, do you understand that?"
MERRIL COOKastutely made an observation that he put forth toCOL. OSCAR SANTA-MARIA:
"Department of Defense stamped...1980...is this...referring to your...story?...Are you prohibited to tell us?...Confirm if you can...(he reads from document)'source has been known to be reputable in all respects'...I mean,...is this a SMOKING GUN or what?! To try and open up some files in theUnited States!..."
With a slight crook of a smile COL. OSCAR SANTA-MARIAreplied:
"In 2007,...same building...invited to a conference...James Fox...they turned this document to me...the only encounter with a UFO was my encounter...this was the event referred to..."
MERRILL COOKcontinued:
"...Really strong YES to my question!...You shot at this!...Are you...a good marksman?...What happened?"
"There were 22 minutes of these relationship...it was trying to avoid me, I was trying to pursue it...they(30 caliber shell)can destroy a truck, there was 64, a barrage of them, and nothing...I've won awards for marksmanship...I shot these bursts...3 meter by 3 meter target(practice size), in this case was a 10m x10m object!...'how is this doing this?'...super-sonic speed...1.3 mach...it achieved 1.2 mach in seconds with no engine..."COL. OSCAR SANTA-MARIA
DR. ANTHONY CHOYinterrupted to emphasize the significance of the event COL. OSCAR SANTA-MARIAsharing:
"...perhaps, so humble...I wanted to share...nothing on Earth that can defend itself...in that time...it absorbed all of the rounds...absolutely impossible!..."
MIKE GRAVEL, deeply concerned aboutA.J. GEVAERD's earlier statement describing "...an aggressive attack resulting in the loss of life..." asked for more information.
"...during 2 or 3 years, 1976, 1978, ...at least four casualties...attacked...not only people, but animals...this has been described in detail...reported by the military...the attacks stopped...when the military were...the objects that would be hovering, would move to the other area...intelligence...knew what the military were doing in that area..."
MIKE GRAVELasked all the witnesses how open the gov't and the public are to the UFO topic.
COL. ARIEL SANCHEZofURUGUAY:"...Press conferences, information is even taken to schools...also shared with CHINA..."
DR. ANTHONY CHOYofPERU:"The Press is the same here as it is inPERU...government doesn't really give importance."
COL. OSCAR SANTA-MARIAofPERU: "The order was to intercept and destroy, because there is something that is invading our air space."
A few witnesses responded toROSCOE BARTLETTwhen he expresses his confusion at how the Air Force makes light of the UFO subject, and yet, what he'd observed from the expert testimony these last few days painted a very different picture.
"...Crash of UFO...a recent case...in 1996...VARGINHA CASE...offered no resistance to it's capture...the next day...US Military Intelligence...US Doctors...follow the procedures...what was being done...because they (beings) died...no one could explain...we know for a fact, at least one of the creatures was taken toUnited States...and part of that object..."A. J. GEVAERD
"...BOLIVIA...a crash that took place...May of 1978...official released documents...Air Force Officer...PROJECT MOON DUST...recovery of Space Debris...they list Space Debris...and then they say Unidentified Flying Objects...in a very remote area..."ANTONIO HUNEEUS
"No official exchange with theUNITED STATES...regards of UFO."COL. ARIEL SANCHEZ
"...2 Levels...Public Level...another Level...there is an exchange of information... There are no official documents, but we have received many testimonies."DR. ANTHONY CHOY
"Not aware of any official exchange...any time there is a new event... there is an exchange."COL. OSCAR SANTA-MARIA
ROSCOE G. BARTLETTdecided to throw out a skeptic's possible theory:
"...giant hologram, rather than something physical...arguments for that or against that..."
"Difficult...I saw it from different angles...colors were really solid...a REAL OBJECT." COL. OSCAR SANTA-MARIA
There seemed to be great interest from the Panel as to how other governments, other press, and other publics, react to the UFO Phenomena. A similar thread of questioning was put forth by acting ChairDARLENE HOOLEY:
"Here, if you believe in Unidentified Objects...there's been such a damper...made fun of...this is REAL!..What is the attitude of your people and your media?
ANTONIO HUNEEUSon behalf ofCHILE:"It gets covered in mainstream papers...some ridicule...not as bad asUNITED STATES. Scientific Community...very conservative...that is changing. Airline Pilots were very cautious...they're(government) trying to condition them that it's okay...there's official forms..." COL. ARIEL SANCHEZofURUGUAY:"...People's attitude and government attitude is very respectful...have reliable and transparent information and they accept that..." DR. ANTHONY CHOYofPERU:"Believing or not...it's not a matter of belief...I'm SHOCKED how this is addressed in theUNITED STATES...we don't look at this way..." COL. OSCAR SANTA-MARIAofPERU:"Starting in the 90's pilots talk very freely of what you've seen and what happened...I am very pleased..." ALEJANDRO CHIONETTIofARGENTINA:"...Latin America pilots are so open...What happened, we only have activity South of the border?!..."
COL. OSCAR SANTA-MARIAdescribed in greater detail his own personal observations during his encounter with the UFO, afterLYNN WOOLSEYasked if he had felt threatened.
"It was like a peaceful attitude. Never did I feel a threat that is was going to attack me...I had to turn my back when I returned to base!"
There was unanimous consensus amongst the experts about the need for more Scientific Study:
"...in 1993 we saw two luminous spheres...that measured 30 to 40 centimeters...they left prints...a diminishment of zinc, phosphorous, and magnesium...if this was reminiscent of any other interaction...we don't have anything else to analyze..."COL. ARIEL SANCHEZ
"Serious, formal, Scientific investigations...defied conventional explanations...the only way...escape conventional Scientific Cannons...in 2010 there was a home...a cell phone...disappeared from one house, and appeared in another...it had witnesses!"DR. ANTHONY CHOY
"...rate where your military, government is...one to ten...One accepting...Ten is denial."
A. J. GAEVAERDofBRAZIL:"Three, two, three...upgrade to a 1." ANTONIO HUNEEUSrepresentingCHILE:"in terms of UFOs...zero; a one!...but the extraterrestrial..maybe a 6, or 7." COL. ARIEL SANCHEZofURUGUAY:"...Air Force, I would say zero...even welcome the idea of Extraterrestrial...spiritual groups...accept what we are proposing...there is acceptance..." DR. ANTHONY CHOYofPERU:"I profoundly LOVE my country...profoundly ADMIRE the American people...very complex!...This has been going on for 13yrs and...there has been minimal response...a ten." ALEJANDRO CHIONETTIof ARGENTINA:"...the government is investigating the UFOs with political correctness..."
As you can see there was a lot of great information covered in the morning session. I leave you with an amusing commentMERRILL COOKmade during this question and answer period.
